Showing posts with label personal liability insurance. Show all posts
Showing posts with label personal liability insurance. Show all posts

Wednesday, September 11, 2013

Uberx, Sidecar & Lyft Blow More Smoke

Today's lesson in sophistry comes from the dynamic TNC trio's defense of requiring their customers to sign terms or agreements waiving their liability rights ( The Warmth of the "Sharing Community" vs Lyft & Sidecar's Terms of Service) before being allowed to ride or drive in one of their vehicles.

As I've said before, excluding space travel, Uberx, Sidecar & Lyft offer the only forms of public transportation – bus, shuttle, taxi, limo, airplane or train - where passengers and drivers must waive their rights to collect compensation for negligence before getting into a vehicle. 

TNC spokesmen, while not addressing my statement directly, give four main arguments in favor of compelling their customers to sign these agreements: 
  1. That the terms are standard for software companies.
  2. That the TNC'S are app and not transportation companies.
  3. That the liability limitations only apply to software problems.
  4. That taxi apps like Flywheel and TaxiMagic also have similar terms for their passengers to sign.
Number One 

The argument is that because somebody else does something it's cool for you to do it too. (i.e. "Why should I have insurance? He doesn't.") Here the argument goes that because software firms deny liability to their customers, it's okay for Uber, Sidecar & Lyft to do the same. This, of course, avoids the question of whether or not this is a good idea at all. There are two ways in which I think it is not:

1. This is essentially a way to avoid taking responsibility for a companies' services or products. There was a time when companies were proud of their creations and backed up the quality of the things they made with guarantees. This is clearly not the case in today's "innovative" software world.

 Thanks to the TNC trio, I've started reading terms and agreements before I download anything and it's not a pretty picture. Almost all computer based companies – Apple, Adobe, Netflix, etc –  do indeed deny liability for most forms of negligence on the part of their products, services or employees.

 How does this work out in practice? A friend of mine spend three years traveling, researching and writing a book that ended up on a Mac Air. Her computer froze and the password was forgotten. It turns out that Apple will not allow the owner of a Mac to re-set her or his own password.

Since there was no way to override the password, we took her Mac to Apple's "Genius Bar" and asked them, three separate times, not to do anything that might erase the data. They said that this was extremely unlikely to happen but made my friend to sign an agreement that waived liability before they would do any work. They also promised to avoid using any procedure that might lead to losing her data. Then, the "geniuses" took the computer and erased her book.

Of course it could be argued (and repeatedly has been by her) that my friend should have backed up her work. In addition, she has recovered some earlier versions from other places and there is a possibility that people smarter then Apple's "geniuses" may be able resurrect the book.

Nonetheless, it was Apple's bizarre rule of not allowing Mac owners to re-set their own passwords that ultimately lead to the destruction of my friend's data.  Grounds for a suit?

2. In any case, the obvious difference between Apple's and Uber, Sidecar & Lyft's denial of liability is the fact that the TNC's expose their customers, not to data loss, but to injury or death – conditions from which people don't always recover.

Number Two 

The TNC'S claim that Uberx, Sidecar & Lyft are just software companies that connect passengers and drivers. 

I think the easiest way to dispute this is to note the difference between taxicabs and (for the moment) the illegal passenger transportation networks run by the dynamic trio.

Legal taxicabs will be on the streets of San Francisco regardless of whatever app or dispatching service they may or may not be using.

TNC vehicles ONLY WORK THROUGH TNC APPS. 

If the Uberx, Sidecar & Lyft apps did not exist, the TNC vehicles would not be rushing around in traffic. They'd just be private cars, mostly parked at home.

Number Three 

The TNC's came up with the argument that their limitations of liability only apply to the TNC customer's software especially for the CPUC's Party Meeting. At least I hadn't head it before.

All I can say is that this not clear from reading the TNC's terms and conditions. 

Does this sound like the TNC'S are ONLY talking software?

  1. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICE.

  2. SIDECAR DOES NOT WARRANT, ENDORSE, GUARANTEE, OR ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY RIDE YOU REQUEST OR PROVIDE THROUGH THE SIDECAR SERVICE, NOR DOES SIDECAR WARRANT, ENDORSE, GUARANTEE, OR ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY PROPERTY DAMAGE, INCLUDING TO YOUR VEHICLE, PERSONAL INJURY, UP TO AND INCLUDING DEATH, THAT OCCURS AS A RESULT OF THE RIDE OR YOUR USE OF THE SERVICE.
Or this?

LYFT HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER FOR THE ACTIONS OR CONDUCT OF DRIVERS OR RIDERS. ... RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE REGARDING PROVIDING OR ACCEPTING TRANSPORTATION REST SOLELY WITH YOU. IT IS EACH RIDER AND DRIVER’S RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE REASONABLE PRECAUTIONS IN ALL ACTIONS AND INTERACTIONS WITH ANY PARTY THEY MAY INTERACT WITH THROUGH USE OF THE SERVICES. LYFT MAY BUT HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY TO SCREEN OR OTHERWISE EVALUATE POTENTIAL RIDERS OR USERS. USERS UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THAT LYFT HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE IDENTITY OR ACTIONS OF THE RIDERS AND DRIVERS, AND LYFT REQUESTS THAT USERS EXERCISE CAUTION AND GOOD JUDGMENT WHEN USING THE SERVICES. DRIVERS AND RIDERS USE THE SERVICES AT THEIR OWN RISK.
But, then, I'm not a lawyer.

Number Four

The TNC smoke about Flywheel and Taxi Magic's terms and conditions being similar to their own is true but misleading. The difference is the difference between a legal taxi and the illegal cabs sent out by Uberx, Sidecar & Lyft. 

San Francisco taxicabs are already fully insured for $1,000,000 with primary insurance by the taxi companies. And, the driver is protected by Worker's Compensation.   If a taxicab driver is negligent and in some way harms a customer or a pedestrian, the customer is clearly covered by the company's insurance. Therefore it is unnecessary (and might be confusing) for taxi apps to also cover the same taxis.

The vehicles used by TNC drivers, on the other hand, are privately owned and covered by personal liability insurance with coverage that can be as low as $15,000 – $30,000. Furthermore, the drivers are falsely told by Uberx, Lyft & Sidecar  (in the words of the later), "Because this is ridesharing, special insurance is not required..."

However, the Personal Insurance Federation of California (PIFC) at the hearings on ridesharing last spring stated, "The issue before the CPUC is not ridesharing, but instead using a private passenger vehicle in a livery service. This is clearly not covered under a standard policy; if an accident occurs, coverage would not exist.

(BTW. Despite the fact that the CPUC has since agreed with the PIFC's position, the TNC trio continue to give their new drivers the same fraudulent information.)

Uberx, Sidecar & Lyft, of course, now have their famous $1 million excess liability policies with coverage that "... begins when a Sidecar (etc) driver has accepted a ride through the passenger app and continues until the passenger exits the vehicle at the end of the ride."

The excess policies do not cover collision. Nor do they cover the driver or any third party like a pedestrian while he or she working as a TNC but doesn't have a customer. 

Uberx, Sidecar & Lyft have led the public to believe that the TNC driver's personal insurance will automatically take over the moment the driver drops off the customer. This is almost certainly not true for two main reasons:
  1. When the TNC driver is looking for rides, he or she is still working as a commercial driver and thus: "If an accident occurs, coverage (under a personal liability policy) would not exist."
  2. More important, not to mention more interesting, is the fact that personal liability insurance companies almost certainly will not insure a vehicle for personal liability if it is being used as a commercial vehicle at all.
This is based on a truism culled from hundreds of years of insurance underwriting experience. The truism question in goes, "If people can cheat, some of them will."
(See News From the Lyft Lounge).

It would often be impossible to tell if a TNC vehicle was being driven commercially or not. In the words of the PIFC, "Tracking if accidents have occurred involving such vehicles is difficult, as the insurer will not always have the knowledge that the passenger paid for transport." Or, I might add, looking for a passenger to transport.

In any case, I researched the question (see next post for details) by asking 10 different insurance companies if they would write personal insurance for Uberx, Sidecar & Lyft vehicles if they were covered by a $1 million per incident excess insurance policy. All the companies I talked to said that they would NOT write personal insurance policies for Uberx, Sidecar or Lyft vehicles – excess insurance policy or not.

This puts the TNC driver in the bizarre position of being insured ONLY while he transporting passengers. And, his personal insurance appears to be voided the moment he or she agrees to do so.

There is also a conflict between the limitations in TNC's terms of service and the $1million policies that Uberx, Sidecar & Lyft do provide

 "DRIVERS AND RIDERS USE THE SERVICES AT THEIR OWN RISK,"Lyft Terms.

SIDECAR DOES NOT WARRANT, ENDORSE, GUARANTEE, OR ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY RIDE YOU REQUEST OR PROVIDE THROUGH THE SIDECAR SERVICE, NOR DOES SIDECAR WARRANT, ENDORSE, GUARANTEE, OR ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY PROPERTY DAMAGE, INCLUDING TO YOUR VEHICLE, PERSONAL INJURY, UP TO AND INCLUDING DEATH, THAT OCCURS AS A RESULT OF THE RIDE OR YOUR USE OF THE SERVICE.

What do we believe? The assurances of CEO's John Zimmer and Sunil Paul that their insurance policies (insurance policies that they will allow nobody except the CPUC to see or read) will cover everything and everybody; or, do we believe the limitations that Zimmer and Paul's own attorneys have written into the terms that they require all their customers to sign?

In any case, excluding space travel, Uberx, Sidecar & Lyft continue to offer the only forms of public transportation – bus, shuttle, taxi, limo, airplane or train - where passengers and drivers must waive their rights to collect compensation for negligence before getting into a vehicle. 

Thursday, March 28, 2013

Lyft and Sidecar Customers and Drivers Are Not Insured ...

is what hack-reporter Rachel Swan told me was going to be in her piece on the app industry vs the cab industry. This was supposed to be a balanced article that showed cab company corruption going against the dangers of using illegal and uninsured taxi services.

I also pressed her to warn the drivers and customers of Lyft and Sidecar that the "terms" to which they agreed when they downloaded the apps included signing away their rights to sue and agreeing to come to the defense of the app companies (at the customer's expense) in case the companies were sued for negligence.

Needless to say, Rachel did neither. Instead of warning the public about the possible dangers of riding in uninsured vehicles, she passed on an advertising blurb dressed as a fact by Sidecar CEO Sunil Paul claiming that a they had done a study showing that Sidecar passengers "felt safer" then they would have riding in a taxicab. "Felt safer!" Rachel wrote this as if it proved that they were safer. And, why would Sunil bother to do a study when he has Rachel Swan ready to make every bit of garbage that comes out of his mouth sound like the word of God?

Rachel also engaged in the usual hatchet job that appears to be a right of passage for wanna be journalists in San Francisco. She included all the bad stuff about the cab industry and treated the CEO's of Lyft, Sidecar and Uber as if they were a combination of Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs and Charlemagne instead of developers of illegal, taxi apps. The tone of her prose would go very well with an orientation video for new hires at Sidecar U.

As it turns out I'm not the first to be jobbed by this babe. This is from a comment to Sweet Rachel's purple post:

@healied2 "This writer is well known by lefties in the East Bay for doing exactly what you describe, and also for the fact that she actually has turned against her very informants who bring a story to her.  She did this in her East Bay article, titled Obama Drama. She was brought a story about how the official Obama campaign folks were actually doing things all over California to jeopardize that campaign, and she never followed direct leads she was given that would've proven that point. Instead, she wrote a glowing story about the official campaign folks and turned a negative light on the most radical dedicated workers in that campaign. If anyone is ever approached by her for a story- stay away. "

I have to drive my cab tonight so I'll cut it short but I'll leave you with a few things from Twitter and Yelp that were sent to me by Athan Rebelos.

In the first one, Danielle V. should clearly have read Lyft's "terms" before agreeing to use the service (the "terms" that I asked Sweet Rachel to warn the public against). These "terms" are almost impossible to find on the Lyft and Sidecar websites. Rachel couldn't find them herself and had to call me up and ask me where they were (way at the bottom in very small print). They print out to over 20 pages at 12pt type.  I don't know how anybody could read the "terms" on a smart phone. These are some of the limitations in question:

Limitation of Liability
IN NO EVENT WILL WE, OUR SUBSIDIARIES, OFFICERS, DIRECTORS, EMPLOYEES OR OUR SUPPLIERS, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR INDIRECT DAMAGES ... ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH LYFT, OUR SERVICES OR THIS AGREEMENT (HOWEVER ARISING, INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE) EVEN IF WE OR OUR AGENTS OR REPRESENTATIVES KNOW OR HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES....
LYFT HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER FOR THE ACTIONS OR CONDUCT OF DRIVERS OR RIDERS. LYFT HAS NO OBLIGATION TO INTERVENE IN OR BE INVOLVED IN ANY WAY IN DISPUTES THAT MAY ARISE BETWEEN DRIVERS, RIDERS, OR THIRD PARTIES. RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE REGARDING PROVIDING OR ACCEPTING TRANSPORTATION REST SOLELY WITH YOU. IT IS EACH RIDER AND DRIVER’S RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE REASONABLE PRECAUTIONS IN ALL ACTIONS AND INTERACTIONS WITH ANY PARTY THEY MAY INTERACT WITH THROUGH USE OF THE SERVICES. LYFT MAY BUT HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY TO SCREEN OR OTHERWISE EVALUATE POTENTIAL RIDERS OR USERS. USERS UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THAT LYFT HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE IDENTITY OR ACTIONS OF THE RIDERS AND DRIVERS, AND LYFT REQUESTS THAT USERS EXERCISE CAUTION AND GOOD JUDGMENT WHEN USING THE SERVICES. DRIVERS AND RIDERS USE THE SERVICES AT THEIR OWN RISK.
Talk about the warmth of community, no?

Monday, February 4, 2013

100,000 Uninsured Rides and Counting: Undercover at Lyft and Sidecar

Lyft (photo shows phone salespeople recruiting drivers at Lyft headquarters) and Sidecar are venture capital startups that advertise themselves as car-pooling services that use smart-phone apps to connect people who need rides with drivers in the community “who have extra space in their cars.”

Both companies claim to do intensive evaluations of drivers, including criminal background checks and thorough inspections of the vehicles that provide transportation services through their apps. They also tell their drivers that their cars "do not need to be covered by commercial liability insurance.”

I decided to check out their hype because I’m the ideal person to do so. I’ve been an insurance underwriter, a driving instructor, a blogger, and I’ve logged over a million miles as a cab driver. My research included talking to representatives from the top ten rated insurance companies, interviewing people who have been Lyft or Sidecar drivers or customers, and applying for a driving position at the two companies. Both Lyft and Sidecar initially approved me but later changed their minds when I started asking them detailed questions about their contracts and insurance.

What I learned was that almost every claim that they make is either misleading or false. Their interviewing process is a joke. They don’t ask for social security numbers and they don’t fingerprint the applicants so they can’t be conducting criminal background checks. Nor do these companies make mechanical inspections of the cars. In the case of Sidecar, they don’t even look at the vehicle. Most importantly, insurance companies consider neither Lyft"s or Sidecar's ridesharing services so their cars are required to carry commercial insurance. Since most of their cars don’t, they are uninsured vehicles.

In reality then, Lyft and Sidecar are illegal transportation for hire services that use double-talk to exploit the underemployed, and subvert laws and regulations designed to protect drivers, passengers and the public. Furthermore, when drivers and passengers accept the terms of service necessary to download their apps, they waive their rights to sue Lyft or Sidecar in perpetuity. Their passengers also agree to come to the legal defense (at their own expense) of Lyft or sidecar if the companies are sued for negligence.

If you were to be a car, what kind of car would you be and why?

I've had many careers in my life but my interviews at these companies marked the first times that I've ever applied for a job and not been asked what skills or experience qualified me to do the work.

Sidecar conducted an online video interview with me. The most profound question they asked was:

If you were to be a car, what kind of car would you be? And why?”


The other Sidecar questions were:


“Who are you and why would you make an awesome Sidecar community driver?” 

“Where are some of your favorite places to hang out and why?”

“How did you hear about us?”



During a phone interview, Lyft representative Chris did ask me if I’d ever had a DUI or a criminal record. He then returned to in-depth community ridesharing form to finish up with:



“How would your friends describe your personality?”


“Do you smoke in your car?”


“For a more important question, who would you most want to ride in your car for ten minutes?”



Both companies did check to see if my driver’s license was valid and my auto insurance was up to date. They also looked at my vehicle ownership card. Neither company fingerprinted me or asked for my social security number - necessities for doing a criminal background check.


I had an “in person” interview at Lyft that lasted three minutes. There was no training session. An interviewer/inspector, who looked more like a fashionista then a mechanic, glanced at my car. She sat in the front seat to see if it was clean and made sure that the lights and turn signals worked before taking my photograph standing next to the car. She did not drive the car or ride in it, check the tires, check the VIN #, open the hood, look under the car or do any kind of mechanical inspection.

There was no “in person” interview at Sidecar. Instead, I attended Sidecar U for an hour and a half where most of the time was devoted to explaining how to use the app and noting the best times to drive. The fact that Sidecar was not liable for auto insurance was briefly mentioned and driving safely was encouraged. The instructor proudly told us that Sidecar now had over five hundred vehicles in San Francisco.

I was told to upload a photo (left) of my car to their website where they must have done the mechanical inspection because they certainly didn’t do so in person.

On the basis of these intensive interviews, I was approved along with three other divers at Lyft and with eighteen others at Sidecar.




Next: If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, will it bark if you call it a dog?  The art of double-talk and a look at Lyft's and Sidecar's insurance, or lack thereof.