Both companies claim to do intensive evaluations of drivers, including criminal background checks and thorough inspections of the vehicles that provide transportation services through their apps. They also tell their drivers that their cars "do not need to be covered by commercial liability insurance.”
I decided to check out their hype because I’m the ideal person to do so. I’ve been an insurance underwriter, a driving instructor, a blogger, and I’ve logged over a million miles as a cab driver. My research included talking to representatives from the top ten rated insurance companies, interviewing people who have been Lyft or Sidecar drivers or customers, and applying for a driving position at the two companies. Both Lyft and Sidecar initially approved me but later changed their minds when I started asking them detailed questions about their contracts and insurance.
What I learned was that almost every claim that they make is either misleading or false. Their interviewing process is a joke. They don’t ask for social security numbers and they don’t fingerprint the applicants so they can’t be conducting criminal background checks. Nor do these companies make mechanical inspections of the cars. In the case of Sidecar, they don’t even look at the vehicle. Most importantly, insurance companies consider neither Lyft"s or Sidecar's ridesharing services so their cars are required to carry commercial insurance. Since most of their cars don’t, they are uninsured vehicles.
In reality then, Lyft and Sidecar are illegal transportation for hire services that use double-talk to exploit the underemployed, and subvert laws and regulations designed to protect drivers, passengers and the public. Furthermore, when drivers and passengers accept the terms of service necessary to download their apps, they waive their rights to sue Lyft or Sidecar in perpetuity. Their passengers also agree to come to the legal defense (at their own expense) of Lyft or sidecar if the companies are sued for negligence.
If you were to be a car, what kind of car would you be and why?
If you were to be a car, what kind of car would you be and why?
I've had many careers in my life but my interviews at these companies marked the first times that I've ever applied for a job and not been asked what skills or experience qualified me to do the work.
Sidecar conducted an online video interview with me. The most profound question they asked was:
Sidecar conducted an online video interview with me. The most profound question they asked was:
If you were to be a car, what kind of car would you be? And why?”
The other Sidecar questions were:
“Who are you and why would you make an awesome Sidecar community driver?”
“Where are some of your favorite places to hang out and why?”
“How did you hear about us?”
During a phone interview, Lyft representative Chris did ask me if I’d ever had a DUI or a criminal record. He then returned to in-depth community ridesharing form to finish up with:
“How would your friends describe your personality?”
“Do you smoke in your car?”
“For a more important question, who would you most want to ride in your car for ten minutes?”
Both companies did check to see if my driver’s license was valid and my auto insurance was up to date. They also looked at my vehicle ownership card. Neither company fingerprinted me or asked for my social security number - necessities for doing a criminal background check.
I had an “in person” interview at Lyft that lasted three minutes. There was no training session. An interviewer/inspector, who looked more like a fashionista then a mechanic, glanced at my car. She sat in the front seat to see if it was clean and made sure that the lights and turn signals worked before taking my photograph standing next to the car. She did not drive the car or ride in it, check the tires, check the VIN #, open the hood, look under the car or do any kind of mechanical inspection.
There was no “in person” interview at Sidecar. Instead, I attended Sidecar U for an hour and a half where most of the time was devoted to explaining how to use the app and noting the best times to drive. The fact that Sidecar was not liable for auto insurance was briefly mentioned and driving safely was encouraged. The instructor proudly told us that Sidecar now had over five hundred vehicles in San Francisco.
I was told to upload a photo (left) of my car to their website where they must have done the mechanical inspection because they certainly didn’t do so in person.
On the basis of these intensive interviews, I was approved along with three other divers at Lyft and with eighteen others at Sidecar.
Next: If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, will it bark if you call it a dog? The art of double-talk and a look at Lyft's and Sidecar's insurance, or lack thereof.


So we're dying to know. What kind of car would you be?
ReplyDeleteOne thing I like about you Athan is you go right to the heart of the matter.
ReplyDeleteI would've been a baby blue '57 Chevy convertible with a white top. That was the car that I wanted to buy when I was 15 but my mother refused to sign off on it because she rightly thought that I would race around trying to pick up girls. She insisted I buy a pea green 56 ford sedan with a top speed of 80. I forgave her when I turned 50.
Another brilliant post, Ed. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteED i have passed this around everywhere, dont be surprised if you get contacted by some news outlets. This is absolutely brilliant reporting.
ReplyDeleteIt will come too late but the public will find out in due course why taxi regs. have evolved over the years to where they are now.
ReplyDeleteThe first thing that will happen is there will be an injury that the public will pay for because the driver will find him self uninsured.
A similar thing happened to National Cab 20 years ago and caused them to file for bankruptcy. The insurance company in that case went bankrupt itself leaving National holding the bag. The injured parties ended up with legal bills and that was about it.
No reflection intended on current management by the way.
Outstanding job Ed. I think you may have missed your calling as an investigative reporter
Great work, Ed- the public needs to read your story, and the MTA needs to crack down on these "gypsy cabs". Clarification: is Lyft paying their drivers $22/hr? That is what one of my passengers told me the other day. He said the company keeps the "donation" and pays the driver $22/hr.
ReplyDeleteThe payment is made by cell phone and goes directly to Lyft. They keep 20% and pay 80% to the driver. The $22 is an average that Lyft claims that their drivers make.
ReplyDeleteI am a Lyft driver and believe 90 percent of what you say here to be true. I'd like to add that I do believe the Lyft drivers are not getting the money due to them not through deliberate means but by pure ignorance and lack of basic business knowledge on behalf of those running Lyft.
ReplyDeleteLyft does not allow us to see any data that is used to create our daily/weekly reports.
All rides are lumped together.
Lyft's admin fees of 20% also apply to any and all tips we get.
Is it not illegal in the state of California for a company to touch tips?
Weeks after becoming a Lyft driver, Lyft decided that we were all "independent contractors".
Not I nor any other driver I know of ever agreed to becoming a contractor.
When drivers would ask about tax situations the questions were consistently ignored or diverted to non-existent tax personnel within Lyft.
After being told driver's tax situations is that we are "self-reporting" Lyft decided to create 1099's.
The only "contract" that I agreed to was the $22+ per hour average pay.
$22+ per hour is incorrect. The average is 15 to 18.
I'm sure that within one year there will be several class action lawsuits filed against Lyft.
It will also be interesting to see what that IRS has to say about all of this.
The only inspection of my vehicle was to see if it met Lyft's standards of cleanliness.
There is no training, safety or otherwise.
Lyft just throws its drivers onto the streets much like an ignorant parent throws its child into a swimming pool expecting it to learn how to swim via self preservation and animal instinct.
Sounds like you don't drive much as the average obviously increases with the more you drive. The more you drive the more you make. You're ignorant if you thought you were actually being offered employment by Lyft. And also, I take it, you are no longer a Lyft driver as you obviously have so many problems with it?
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ReplyDeleteThis is consistent with our findings with pi stings on the drivers in one of the companies. If any public agency in California did it job they would find out this information is true. Managementless transportation is a really bad idea.
ReplyDeleteThe government is the last thing I want regulating anything; same reason I live OUTSIDE of SF county in my nice Danville home. Government mismanages, and is the really bad idea.
DeleteExcellent post.I want to thank you for this informative read, I really appreciate sharing this great post. Keep up your work.
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If lyft drivers get paid a percentage of each ride, why would the average dollars/hour obviously increase the more they drive?
ReplyDeleteThe rules and regulations set forth in the Austin City Code are there to ensure public safety. They include insurance requirements, vehicle inspections and driver screening. These rogue applications offer none of these protections. I personally hope that the police and the city transportation department officials take a hard stand against these services who are blatantly and publicly breaking the law.
ReplyDeleteMake no mistake, this is not people car-pooling and sharing a ride because they are going your way! These are drivers who have signed up on-line to make "up to $22 per hour" logging into this system and driving around and picking people up for money (taxi service). There is nothing altruistic or "green" about this company. It is a "for profit" transportation company that uses unlicensed, under insured and un-screened drivers.
Wow I'm seriously reconsidering using the service any more. Now that I read this I'm wondering do Lyft drivers even get drug tested ever, I know on their website they state zero tolerance and people can report your driver. However is there a drug test administered.
ReplyDeleteThe info about the SSN is false, they definitely ask for it as a part of the background check.
ReplyDeleteNice to know that my post had an effect. When I applied last January, they definitely did not ask for an SS#. On the other hand, does anonymous 4-25 work for Lyft?
DeleteAll personal auto policies have business use exclusions in them. I have heard stories of some agents telling people that this is a covered activity which is patently false. Of course, nobody is going to believe those of us who know how to read a contract until these folks are sued. Apparently, some of these companies are telling people not to worry and that their parent company has a $1 Million liability policy that will kick in to protect them, which again is not entirely the case. The individual drivers are not being named as additional insureds and their coverage when denied will be entirely insufficient to meet even the minimum standards of any alleged liability policy that these companies own. This is dangerous and exploitive of people who are trying to earn a living. I wish they would do this the right way.
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